It truly is sincere, and I ask my sedevecantist friends to accept the question as sincere, and approach it in that spirit.

This is neither sarcasm nor am I trying to prove anything. I’m sorry, but I can’t seem to delete all of my frustration from it. But here goes:

Is memorizing accurately pre Vatican II theology enough to establish Catholic bona fides in this laissez-faire environment?

Or, despite valid consecrations, should we be reserving our trust to Catholic men who show some sort of ability to use the gift of discernment in applying those memorized doctrines?

Because, to me, a humble, uneducated buffoon & accidental heretic who discerns against: submitting to our Freemasonic system; begging for our Jewish King; and submitting to Moloch vaccines is far less sinister than a truly consecrated and extremely well-educated bishop who is unable to see any of this as profoundly evil as it so obviously is. See the link below for context.

This is just one example.

I’m not going to bother to take this sophomoric trash line by line. I did it adequately when responding to Father Selegny, when he hijacked the SSPX website and gave essentially this same ludicrous crap of an explanation, which is contrary to every society member I know.

I’ve done it. It was helpful for people whose consciences were crying out already. It means nothing to the rabid lunatics who justify this evil. So, I’m not doing it again.

I’ve bitten my tongue about this for days. I’m desperately trying to balance my frustration against the respect these sedevecantist bishops deserve.

And they do deserve our respect, no matter our opinions. Whether we disagree with them or not, and I agree with much – unlike Novus Ordo bishops – we know that they are validly consecrated.

But, I know that there’s really only one impediment to the Holy Ghost’s wisdom – sin. Therefore, I do not trust anyone whose conscience is not shocked and horrified by this evil. (For details, I’ll refer you once again to the lovely Julianne, who I’m happy to see is continuing God’s work in exposing this evil. You can find her on Twitter @KindeandTrue).

I’m not judging any of these men. In fact, I’m certain every single one of them is more likely to become a saint (at some point) than I am. Nor do I pretend to know what their sins might be, or whether they have hidden agendas. I’m not speculating about any of that. I think they’re trying to be good men.

But the things I mentioned are the great evils of our age, and …

I see a great deal of pride.

We have no shepherd, and even a validly consecrated bishop is victim to this state of affairs.

So, I think my question is one that sincere Catholics should be asking.

35 thoughts on “A Sincere Question

  1. I’m a sede, but am not hitched to a group, as there are none in my country to hitch to.
    I read the document over the weekend. The view is not acceptable to me.
    Coincidentally, I should make clear I was not referring to this statement in my last comments on the una cum last week, when saying; the Sedevacantist Bishops should say it’s (the injection) wrong, but at least they don’t say Bergoglio is Pope, the guy who is actually pushing it.

    Also, this was the Bishop’s last paragraph in the Newsletter that accompanied his statement;
    “The vaccine. Enclosed you will find a question and answer article on the Covid vaccine. My fundamental point in it is that there are many moral considerations regarding it, and that each person must apply the moral principles in order to make the correct decision.”

    Some sensational headlines have claimed he is endorsing it. I couldn’t call it an endorsement. He’s asking people to decide for themselves, which is neither an endorsement nor indeed a condemnation.

    They made their decision on this laissez-faire situation long before this hoax, and they’re sticking to their decision not to take the reins of the Vicar of Christ, as they do not feel entitled.
    I can’t say I know enough Church Law to critic it very well, however I have a point about it.

    Their desired maintenance of the Church pre-Vatican II is an important task we can all agree is worthy.
    I think they feel not only do they have no authority to take the reins of the Vicar of Christ, but that if they did, it’d be an impersonation just the same as Bergoglio et all.
    Were they then to issue unelected binding declarations, which they have not received the grace of the Vicar of Christ to issue, then they could easily through their own human error lead many people astray, which Bishops would pay a far higher price for then laymen.

    Whether we agree or not, I think they are certain enough of this not to let their emotions spur them on to risking such error, even in this terrible situation, as what if their error ends up costing souls their salvation.

    As I say, I’m no expert, but they have been debating about this situation for half a century, so I maybe there are no easy answers. Indeed, they are not even in agreement with each other on the architecture of the present situation, which explains why there are so many camps within sedevacantism.

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    1. As you touched on, the Bishop is a real Bishop, so I endeavour to try to understand him as best I can, as he has gained grace and discernment that is unavailable to me as a layman.

      The following is my own reading of this ongoing hoax.
      I see a particular medical mistruth all over the document, which is not theological, but I think deeply affects the Bishop’s judgement.
      The hoax has been successful for many reasons, one of which has been the public education system installing numerous false scientific beliefs.

      http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=16&l=3-#x
      If people are not drawn to Michael’s analysis of the times, then they are not properly cognisant of the extent of propaganda designed to turn us away from God, and toward the materialistic no moral anti-society of Satan.

      An ingredient of the hoax greater than propaganda has been our programming to believe in lies like the big bang and evolution that takes us away from God.
      Resisting or even untangling our minds of this web is achieved thanks to God, and those revealing the lies through God.

      I posit we were also programmed to believe another lie called germ theory, a name I did not know 2 years ago, but it is the theory of airborne viruses as being transmittable between people.
      If germ theory is false, as Drs & Scientists proved 100yrs ago in published studies, some of which are on the CDC’s website, then the competing terrain theory explains viruses as cleaning out toxic cells.

      So they’ve tricked all into believing lies about viruses, vaccines, and the motives of their false philanthropy to protect the masses from disease with vaccines.
      In all my years, though they probably existed, I never met a person who doubted the theory of virus transmission, and from a non-theological point of view, it’s a base ingredient to this deception pulled by the synagogue of satan.

      I do not defend the Bishop’s statement, but this is my attempt to understand his and others opinions.
      I think the Bishop knows the times, he knows this is nefariously planned, but he is short some pieces of the jigsaw and is missing the full picture. A picture more clear to many of us, yet others are blind to it all.
      Without implying pride, perhaps we take our knowledge of the wider puzzle for granted?

      You said;
      “I know there’s only one impediment to the Holy Ghost’s wisdom – sin.”

      And isn’t believing lies one of the 6 sins against the Holy Ghost?
      Therefore, those believing the apparent lies about viruses & vaccines this last century, are also receiving less wisdom.

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      1. “isn’t believing lies one of the 6 sins against the Holy Ghost?”

        Technically, I think the sin is “resisting the known truth.” Leading us to the Truth is the purview of the Holy Ghost, but the Holy Ghost doesn’t abide in a mortally sinful soul. So, absent extraordinary intervention from Our Lord (like with Saul/Paul), regardless of apparently virtuous lives, people can become more and more blind the more (and longer) they’re attached to sin.

        With blind people who are generally good, the common thread I see is pride. While I’ve noticed it all of my life, it has generally been a slow and steady decline in a person. For example, I know a number of people very attached to Medjugorje. The pride that has now destroyed them and their families was slow and subtle.

        But, over the past 5 years everything has escalated – in both pace and effect.

        So, I’m not accusing Bishop Sanborn of pride. It just seems to be the most common reason lately.

        If I’m accusing him of anything, it’s negligence. But it certainly could be worse than negligence. That’s not for me to say.

        I agree, generally with your comments. We should have known the jig was up when JPII apologized to Galileo :).

        I’m agnostic on terrain theory. I definitely think those refuting germ theory are onto something, but I doubt they’re completely correct. Cold viruses, chicken pox, herpes, etc, seem to show that viruses spread all the time.

        But, I try to avoid commenting on science. It’s beyond my ken.

        Always nice to hear from you Pat. God bless.

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      1. I spent many years under the spell of the fake modernist world the synagogue of satan has created as a zoo for us all, and to find God felt like a safe crib with his hand protecting us from all the deceit.
        In truth, it is more complex to discern the ins and outs of the infiltration of the Church, than getting out of that spell.
        The number of groups, all the opinions, the amount of reading just to find a footing on all the groups, and opinions. It’s a full time job.
        I am a glutton for punishment, as I enjoy spending time on what is important, and what’s more important than learning our faith, but I do wonder will I ever be finished “reading up”?!!

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        1. I decided simply not to join any tribe.

          I’m not a “trad” or a “sede.” I’m a Catholic … who is waiting.

          But, honestly, if these guys had gotten Trump and his MAGAVaxx right, it would have been huge.

          It’s terribly disheartening to see respectable men swing and miss on these two extremely important issues.

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          1. In my eyes, your abundance of knowledge of the Church and faith compared to my own allows that.

            But ye, imagine the fireworks display if they hit it out the park.
            I didn’t expect it from this Bishop who I’d heard air hopeful republican rescue act tones a few years before the hoax. Which is no mockery, that idea though impossible isn’t bad, but the pure truth we need doesn’t come from the pit of the left v right sandbox.

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            1. Interesting read.
              The key quote;
              “It is forbidden for an informed Catholic to receive the experimental Covid-19 genetic therapy, called a vaccine, and thus, it would be mortally sinful.”.

              No mention of the baby genocide industry.
              I’ve no baseball understanding, but perhaps one could say he stole base from Bp. Sanborn?

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      2. So I’m just taking a stab at this. I don’t speak for any of the Bishops. It seems that in principle, all the Bishops agree with this statement:

        http://archives.sspx.org/Catholic_FAQs/catholic_faqs__morality.htm

        However, in application, there is a bit of a spectrum.

        Bishop Sanborn seems to have made peace with it – at least to some extent.

        Bishop Dolan has gone to battle.

        Bishop Pivarunas very much objects and provides every assistance to those seeking exemptions but does not say that on pain of eternal damnation, there is never an extenuating circumstance that could allow for remote, material cooperation. (Like it says in the article.)

        I don’t know if any of that is satisfactory to you, but the positions are not all the same as the pdf that you linked to.

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        1. If I recall correctly, Bishop Dolan’s opinion on it has changed, and much of his objection (now) is the motivation for the vax, and the tyrannical regime behind it.

          Again, Bishop Pivarunas opinion seems most closely aligned to my own – though I do believe there are circumstances in which it would be mortally sinful.

          It’s certainly grave matter. So, simply add full knowledge and intent. Consequently, because I am informed enough on the topic, I would fear for my soul if I took the shot.

          Further, Thomas Aquinas believed that invincible ignorance cannot be created through negligence, and that we have a positive obligation to investigate serious decisions with moral implications.

          That makes me fear a great deal for Catholics, but I couldn’t make a blanket statement as to culpability.

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          1. I’m a little rusty on Bishop Dolan’s previous position, but I thought that it was similar to Bishop Pivarunas. However, there was development in his position when the medical experimentation and risk/benefit analysis was taken into consideration.

            Bishop Pivarunas is generally very logical and consistent.

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            1. On the ground experience: Priests giving encouragement from the pulpit to hold strong. Offers of exemption letters. and asking what your position and needs are in this regard.

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  2. It’s a heavy weight…especially since we mere faithful seem to be pulling the load with wolves at our feet ravenously pursuing us…meanwhile our bishops are seemingly at the sidelines. I am going to focus on the holiest priests I can find. These priests exist despite their leaders, which tells me God has a plan that we may not fully grasp.

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    1. Our Lord to Luisa Piccarreta:
      January 29, 1919
      “My beloved daughter, I want to let you know the order of my Providence.  Every two thousand years I have renewed the world.  In the first two thousand years I renewed it with the Deluge; in the second two thousand I renewed it with my coming upon earth when I manifested my Humanity, from which, as if from many fissures, my Divinity shone forth.  The good ones and the very Saints of the following two thousand years have lived from the fruits of my Humanity and, in drops, they have enjoyed my Divinity.  Now we are around the third two thousand years, and there will be a third renewal.  This is the reason for the general confusion:  it is nothing other than the preparation of the third renewal.  If in the second renewal I manifested what my Humanity did and suffered, and very little of what my Divinity was operating, now, in this third renewal, after the earth will be purged and a great part of the current generation destroyed, I will be even more generous with creatures, and I will accomplish the renewal by manifesting what my Divinity did within my Humanity; how my Divine Will acted with my human will; how everything remained linked within Me; how I did and redid everything, and how even each thought of each creature was redone by Me, and sealed with my Divine Volition.”
      source: https://bookofheaven.org/the-book-of-heaven-thirty-six-volumes-of-the-servant-of-god-luisa-piccarreta/

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      1. Hard pass:

        “On Wednesday, July 13, 1938, in the General Session of the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, the Most Eminent and Reverend Cardinals concerned with the defense of the faith and good morals, following the previous recommendation of the Reverend Consultors, have condemned and ordered inserted into the Index of forbidden books the following works written by Luisa Piccarreta and published by others at different times in several places:

        The Watch of the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, with a Treatise on the Divine Will

        In the Kingdom of the Divine Will

        The Queen of Heaven in the Kingdom of the Divine Will

        The following Thursday, July 14 of the same month and year, Our Most Holy Father, Pius XI, Pope by Divine Providence, in the usual audience accorded the Most Excellent and Reverend Assessors of the Holy Office, approved the decision of the Most Eminent Cardinals that had been submitted to him, confirmed it, and ordered it published.

        Given in Rome at the Palace of the Holy Office, August 31, 1938. Romulus Pantanetti, Notary of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office”

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    1. I think it’s more disappointing because the sedes and SSPX are accustomed to standing against the wind. Are they tired and now want to sit at the cool kids table? I can’t understand it.

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        1. Our Lord to Luisa Piccarreta:
          November 27, 1917
          “…. And then, churches are few and many will be destroyed.  Many times I do not find Priests to consecrate Me; other times they allow unworthy souls to receive Me, and worthy souls not to receive Me; other souls are unable to receive Me, therefore my Love finds Itself hindered.  This is why I want to make the Sanctity of living in my Will.  In It, I will no longer need Priests to be consecrated, nor churches, tabernacles or hosts.  These souls will be everything altogether:  Priests, churches, tabernacles and hosts.  My Love will be more free.  Anytime I want to consecrate Myself, I will be able to do it – in every moment, during the day, at night, in any place where they might be.  Oh, how my Love will have Its complete outpouring! 
          Ah! my daughter, the present generation deserved to be destroyed completely; and if I will allow a little something to be left of it, it is to form these Suns of the Sanctity of living in my Will, who, through my example, will repay Me for all that other creatures, past, present and future, owed Me.  Then will the earth give Me true glory, and my “FIAT VOLUNTAS TUA, on earth as it is in Heaven” will have its completion and fulfillment.”

          source: https://bookofheaven.org/the-book-of-heaven-thirty-six-volumes-of-the-servant-of-god-luisa-piccarreta/

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      1. Our Lord to Luisa Piccarreta:
        November 27, 1917
        “…. And then, churches are few and many will be destroyed.  Many times I do not find Priests to consecrate Me; other times they allow unworthy souls to receive Me, and worthy souls not to receive Me; other souls are unable to receive Me, therefore my Love finds Itself hindered.  This is why I want to make the Sanctity of living in my Will.  In It, I will no longer need Priests to be consecrated, nor churches, tabernacles or hosts.  These souls will be everything altogether:  Priests, churches, tabernacles and hosts.  My Love will be more free.  Anytime I want to consecrate Myself, I will be able to do it – in every moment, during the day, at night, in any place where they might be.  Oh, how my Love will have Its complete outpouring! 
        Ah! my daughter, the present generation deserved to be destroyed completely; and if I will allow a little something to be left of it, it is to form these Suns of the Sanctity of living in my Will, who, through my example, will repay Me for all that other creatures, past, present and future, owed Me.  Then will the earth give Me true glory, and my “FIAT VOLUNTAS TUA, on earth as it is in Heaven” will have its completion and fulfillment.”

        source:
        https://bookofheaven.org/the-book-of-heaven-thirty-six-volumes-of-the-servant-of-god-luisa-piccarreta/

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  3. I think it’s really, really hard for people to see just how much everything will collapse or how much we need to tell people to prepare for it.

    We’ve been cursed by comfort, both physical and intellectual, for generations now. The thinner the Catechism, the closer it is to true wisdom. Because true men of good will want to be converted as quickly as possible so they can go back to work they know to be true.

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  4. Hello Michael,

    I’m not a sedevacantist. I believe Benedict XVI is still Pope.

    It’s a severe mercy to have both the sedevacantist bishop and the SSPX push the deathvaxx. This makes it very clear that Catholics must not follow them.

    I briefly considered both options, but as soon as they pushed the deathvaxx, I was corrected.

    God is reminding us that “where Peter is, there is the church,” as wounded and eclipsed as she is.

    “Peter” is Benedict XVI, as wounded and eclipsed as he is.

    God bless you, Sandra

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      1. Its hard for me to believe anything reported on out of the Vatican. Especially without some photo proof. Good or bad. Is Benedict a prisoner or just playing along?

        Also any help pointing to arguments in favor of the Thuc line would be appreciated.

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  5. Dear Michael,

    After much trepidation and somewhat thorough research (coming from an ordinary, everyday, lifelong N.O. buffoon), I made the choice to align myself with the SSPV in 2018. This choice mainly hinged on the way in which Bishop (then Father) Sanborn pivoted and went against Fr. Kelly (now bishop) and Fr. Jenkins after their investigative visit to Vietnam concerning Thuc. My thinking at that time was that the decision I was about to commit to may have dire consequences, therefore I chose the priests who were showing caution at that time and didn’t hastily go with Thuc. They prayed and waited on the Lord to send them a bishop.

    With the help of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
    Ann

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  6. I dont have an answer to your question but I do share your sentiment.

    When I see these things, I think, how can a deeply flawed and fallen away Catholic, for many years, such as myself, see with clarity, the absolute evil in the acts of murder that were committed to produce these shots.
    But a man deeply trained, supposedly, in theology and all things Christ-like, demonstratively, has a clear conscience?

    I need some help on this, also.

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